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| CFJ: | 2749 |
| Interest Index: | 1 |
| Statement: | If the Admiral of the Navy initiated a coup right now, and purported to give the CotC the Justiciar card when e Formed the Government, eir coup would be a chicken coup. |
| Caller: | coppro |
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| Judge: | Murphy |
| Judgement: | TRUE |
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| Currently Eligible: | (none) |
History:
| Called by coppro | 29 Nov 2009 01:44:52 GMT |
| Assigned to Murphy | 29 Nov 2009 17:06:04 GMT |
| Judged TRUE by Murphy | 29 Nov 2009 17:45:47 GMT |
Caller's Arguments: | | (29 Nov 2009 01:44:52 GMT) |
R1450 prevents the CotC from owning the Justiciar card; does
the failure of one part of the Formation of Government mean that the
entire Formation fails? or just that that assignment fails, but a
Government has still been Formed?
Judge Murphy's Arguments: | | (29 Nov 2009 17:45:47 GMT) |
First, was there an Admiral of the Navy at the time this case was
initiated? (This was the question that inspired my recent tortoise
attempt.) I believe the Dealor's report of November 14 (saying that
it's me) has self-ratified, overwriting c.'s Drop Your Weapon of
October 23, so we're fine on this point.
Second, what does Rule 2269 have to say? There has never been a
coup d'etat, so the hypothetical coup would not be a coup d'etat
("since the last coup d'etat ended" is missing its referent) nor
a coup de grace, so it would be a chicken coup. TRUE.
For completeness, here's my analysis of what would happen if "(or
there has never been a previous coup d'etat") was inserted:
* The Speaker last Formed a Government on September 1.
* The Admiral (me) is not the Speaker (I think the order of
succession is me, coppro, ais523, c., Tiger, making Tiger
the Speaker).
* R2269 would declare the coup a coup d'etat.
* Now the heart of the matter: would R1450 cancel R2275's
entire Formation of a Government (triggering R2270's override)
or just the one transfer? R2275 uses "all" rather than "each",
and contains an all-or-nothing self-ratification clause, so I
would choose the former interpretation and judge TRUE anyway.
* R2273 only applies to a coup de grace with a missing referent,
so would not apply.