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| CFJ: | 2739 |
| Interest Index: | 0 |
| Statement: | Taral has earned a white ribbon. |
| Caller: | G. |
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| Judge: | ais523 |
| Judgement: | FALSE |
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| Appeal: | 2739a |
| Decision: | AFFIRM |
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| Currently Eligible: | coppro, Murphy |
History:
| Called by G. | 24 Nov 2009 16:19:26 GMT |
| Assigned to ais523 | 28 Nov 2009 23:51:12 GMT |
| Judged FALSE by ais523 | 2 Dec 2009 21:46:31 GMT |
| Appealed by coppro | 7 Dec 2009 01:30:28 GMT |
| Appealed by Taral | 7 Dec 2009 03:16:59 GMT |
| Appealed by Murphy | 7 Dec 2009 16:58:46 GMT |
| Appeal 2739a | 7 Dec 2009 17:17:50 GMT |
| AFFIRMED on Appeal | 14 Dec 2009 23:00:55 GMT |
Caller's Arguments: | | (24 Nov 2009 16:19:26 GMT) |
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> When a first-class person
> has been a player continuously for at least three months,
> was never a player before that period, and names another
> player as eir mentor (and has not named a mentor in this
> fashion before), the named player earns a White Ribbon.
>
> This seems to grandfather in everyone who was a player before the
> rule came to have this form.
Caller's Evidence: | | (24 Nov 2009 16:19:26 GMT) |
G. wrote:
> To be precise:
> I was (had been) a player from Feb 2001-May 2001.
> I was never a player before that period.
> I have never named a mentor.
> I name Taral as my Mentor.
>From Rule 2199/8:
(+W) When a first-class person becomes a player for the first
time, e earns a White Ribbon. When a first-class person
has been a player continuously for at least three months,
was never a player before that period, and names another
player as eir mentor (and has not named a mentor in this
fashion before), the named player earns a White Ribbon.
Gratuitous Arguments by Wooble: | | (24 Nov 2009 16:49:57 GMT) |
"has been" is the present perfect progressive
tense, and thus requires that the three month registration period in
question be the player's current registration, and that e had no
registration before that.
Judge ais523's Arguments: | | (2 Dec 2009 21:46:31 GMT) |
I judge CFJ 2739 FALSE. "has been" is the present perfect progressive
tense; all the top few websites that I checked when doing a Google
search for this say that (if used with a duration, like it is in this
case) the meaning is of a condition that was continuously true for the
stated time period up until now, and is still true now. So "a
first-class person has been a player continuously for at least three
months" means "continuously during a time period of at least three
months ending now, a first-class person was a player". Although this
condition applies to Taral, it only applies for eir most recent
registration, not for any registration before that; and so, the only
time period which meets that condition fails the "was never a player
before that period" test. (In other words, Wooble's gratuitous arguments
are correct here.) Compare "a first-class person was registered for
three months", the present perfect (non-progressive) tense, which would
have the meaning that would make this CFJ true.
