Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2704 =================== CFJ 2704 (Interest Index = 2) ==================== Darth Cliche (Kenner Gordon) registered yesterday. ======================================================================== Caller: ais523 Judge: Murphy Judgement: TRUE ======================================================================== History: Called by ais523: 23 Sep 2009 14:17:52 GMT Assigned to BobTHJ: 26 Sep 2009 18:59:14 GMT BobTHJ recused: 28 Sep 2009 15:38:04 GMT Assigned to Pavitra: 03 Oct 2009 19:57:41 GMT Pavitra recused: 12 Oct 2009 23:41:14 GMT Assigned to Murphy: 14 Oct 2009 18:04:26 GMT Judged TRUE by Murphy: 25 Oct 2009 17:15:47 GMT ======================================================================== Caller's Arguments: "I register" does not necessarily indicate intent to register, on the basis that the person in question might have been lying. (Compare the recent message by G., where G. stated that e intended to register without actually intending to register, and it was ruled ineffective because the intent didn't actually exist in G.'s mind.) Therefore, the action is too ambiguous to succeed. ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by c.: Due to the nature of dependent actions in the rules at the moment, statements of intent are very often false. This isn't the case for statements in general. ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by Pavitra: Unlike the recent case of G.'s intent, we have no particular reason to think that Darth Cliche did not mean what e said. If the caller's arguments had been mentioned to an Agoran list *before* DC's alleged registration, then the message in question could reasonably be interpreted as a deliberate test of the theory, especially if e did so in a reply to the thread in which the theory was put forward. This is not the case. I argue for TRUE. ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by G.: I disagree with this interpretation of the G. case. There, I deliberately invoked a R1728 mechanism that exists in the rules and that should override the common definition of "intent." If R1728 had not existed, my public post should have been prima facie evidence of desire to register and would have been a public profession of said desire, whether or not I later disclaimed it or it "existed in the mind". ======================================================================== Judge Murphy's Arguments: I accept the gratuitous arguments. Given that, the factual evidence is unambiguous. ======================================================================== Judge Murphy's Evidence: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:16:05 -0600 Darth Cliche announces "I register." Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:17:52 +0000 ais523 initiates this case ========================================================================