Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2699 =================== CFJ 2699 (Interest Index = 0) ==================== Murphy was audited today ======================================================================== Caller: ais523 Judge: Murphy Judgement: FALSE ======================================================================== History: Called by ais523: 19 Sep 2009 20:22:51 GMT Assigned to Murphy: 23 Sep 2009 22:31:35 GMT Judged FALSE by Murphy: 26 Sep 2009 19:12:43 GMT ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by ais523: I hereby give at least 10 seconds of notice that I intend to audit Murphy. ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by ais523: I play Penalty Box to audit Murphy. ======================================================================== Caller's Arguments: Rule 2262: {{{ * Penalty Box - Specify an entity. When you play this card you CAN audit that entity With Notice (you must have previously declared intent as per other rules), so long as you do so in the same message as playing this card and that entity has not been audited since you declared intent. }}} The plain language of this rule says that, with notice (which was given), I can audit someone by playing a Penalty Box. The only possible counter-argument to this that I can think of is people saying "but that's a dependent action, you can't do it any other way"; but dependent actions /do not/ redefine words in the rules! Excerpts from Rule 1728: {{{ A rule or contract which purports to allow a person (the performer) to perform an action dependently (a dependent action) by a set of one or more of the following methods (N is 1 unless otherwise specified): [snip] thereby allows em to perform the action by announcement if and only if all of the following are true: }}} Rule 1728 does not define With Notice at all; instead, it treats the words as a trigger that allow an action to be done in a dependent manner. In fact, I can't see any rules or contracts that purport to allow a person to perform an action /dependently/; they say "with support", or "without 3 objections", or "With Notice", but those words /do not/ indicate a dependent action. The introduction to rule 1728 requires, as one of the conditions, that the rule purports to allow a person to perform an action dependently; as far as I can tell, no rule or contract purports such a thing. (Rule 1728 does not define "With Notice", or "with support", or whatever; it merely triggers on the words in question, adding a dependent-action mechanism when the words are used and the rule already claims that a dependent action exists.) This is rather bad; I suspect it means that there are no dependent actions anywhere in the rules. I missed this point when originally constructing the scam, but it's likely broken dependent actions for quite a while. Yay for self-ratification! ======================================================================== Judge Murphy's Arguments: Rule 1728 does not require the rule or contract in question to explicitly use the word "dependently"; purporting to allow a person to perform an action using a dependent method is sufficient to imply it. ========================================================================