From ford@jps.net Thu Jun 28 13:42:37 2001 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:30:06 -0700 From: Ed Murphy Reply-To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org To: Agora Business Subject: BUS: Agoran Weekly Journal THE AGORAN WEEKLY JOURNAL VOLUME 48, ISSUE 6 Wednesday, June 27, 2001 HAVE YOU SEEN THESE CHILDREN? ----------------------------- Andre - Stare Decisis www.win.tue.nl/~engels/stare.txt harvel - THE END IS NI tarski.2y.net/~harvel/ Elysion - Field of Dreams www.msu.edu/~boehmejo/agora.html Kelly - The Agora Trader www.pyrzqxgl.org/~kmartin/agoratrader.pl Lindrum - The AgorEx www.panix.com/~lindrum/agorex/ Michael - First Speaker www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/mn200/games/nomic/yoyo/ Murphy - Garden Nomic II groups.yahoo.com/group/garden-nomic/ t - AWJ / Assessor www.iki.fi/scurra/agora.html Taral - Web Judiciary cotc.taral.net/ Wes - Web Judiciary www.netgecko.com/cotc/ ADOPTED PROPOSALS ----------------- "A Hero's Reward" by Goethe - Proposal 4173 adopted 6/26 Chuck becomes a Hero on Agora's Birthday. Heros may register, but lose the Patent Title of Hero upon doing so. "Bonds Revisited" by Blob - Proposal 4171 adopted 6/26 The Usuror is a Limited Executor of the Bank, able to satisfy Bond debts owed by the Bank. The Usuror's Budget includes the Credit Limit for Bank Currencies other than Stems, between 0 and 10 of the Currency's MUQ. "Calling Bonds" by Kelly - Proposal 4163 adopted 6/11 The issuer of a Bond may call it (accelerating it immediately) by announcing that e does so. "Choosable Auctions, Vickrey Auctions, and Raffles" by root - Proposal 4167 adopted 6/11 [Choosable Auctions and Vickrey Auctions originally authored by Elysion] An Auctioneer may choose any Rules-defined Auction procedure; the current one is the default if e does not. In a Vickrey Auction: * The Auction lasts one week. * Bidders may bid privately. * Players with the same Executor as the Auctioneer must bid in public, and during the first three days. * The Auction Price is the highest non-winning bid. In a Raffle: * All tickets cost the same amount. * Winning tickets are randomly selected. * The Riff-Raff may pay out the Ticket Price to emself if there were at least three winners other than emself. (A similar provision is removed from Papyrus Auctions.) "Finish Helping New Players" by harvel - Proposal 4168 adopted 6/19 Players who registered on or after September 21, 2000, and had a Grace Period from it that ended before "Help New Players" was adopted, receive the current New Player Award minus the New Player Award at the time of eir registration. Players who registered on or after September 21, 2000, and were in eir Grace Period when "Help New Players" was adopted, owe the Bank (for each Bank Currency) the current New Player Award or the New Player Award at the time of eir registration, whichever is less. "Fix Dereliction of Duty" by Murphy - Proposal 4164 adopted 6/11 Rule 1644 (Dereliction of Duty) is merged into Rule 1686 (Official Reports) in a consistent fashion. "Fix Mentor's Bonus" by root - Proposal 4172 adopted 6/26 The Mentor Bonus equals the New Player Award for Stems, not for all Currencies. "Fix Rule 1686" by Syllepsis - Proposal 4169 adopted 6/19 Failure to Report is detectable by the Assistant Director of Personnel (not the Grand Warden of the Oligarchy). "Fix Rule 1712" by Elysion - Proposal 4162 adopted 6/4 Amount of Indulgences to Auction monthly is rounded down to the nearest integer. "Fix Rule 1868" by Elysion - Proposal 4166 adopted 6/11 The Clerk of the Courts is required to select and announce a Judge based on a single ASAP requirement, rather than two requirements in succession. "Justiciar Option" by Elysion - Proposal 4170 adopted 6/26 Rule 1831 (Filing a CFJ with the Justiciar) is merged into Rule 991 (Invoking Judgement). Any CFJ may be filed with the Justiciar, though Rule 991 recommends against doing so for no good reason. "Proper Persistent Indebtedness" by Kelly - Proposal 4165 adopted 6/11 The creditor of a debt may simply demand its satisfaction, rather than Ordering such. Persistent Indebtedness is committed: * By an entity's Executor, or (if none) its Limited Executor. * Only if the Executor (Limited Executor) is authorized to execute a transfer for that entity which would satisfy the debt. * Only if the entity has Property sufficient to satisfy the debt. REJECTED PROPOSALS ------------------ PENDING PROPOSALS ----------------- "Another Use for Indulgences" by Elysion - Proposal 4175 A Player may pay 1 Indulgence to change eir Role after six weeks, or 3 Indulgences to change it immediately. "Auction Patches" by root - Proposal 4176 Items are Auctioned in lots. The owner of an Auctioned lot incurs a debt for that lot to a winning Bidder, skipping the "pay out" mechanism. Vickrey Auctions don't say what happens if there are exactly as many uncancelled Bids as there are lots up for Auction. In this case, the Final Auction Price is the Starting Bid. "Don't be overkill" by Ziggy Oligardiness is reduced from a Class 2 to a Class 1 Infraction. "Executors Revamped" by Steve An Executor may act on behalf of an Executee, but no longer "as if e is the Executee". Limited Executors is explicitly defined. Entities may have multiple Executors. An entity may have at most one Prime Executor with respect to a certain action. A Player is eir own Prime Executor by default. The Holder of Power of Attorney is Prime Executor of the Grantor. The Treasuror is Prime Executor of the Bank, except for debts in a Bank Currency, for which the Recordkeepor is Prime Executor. Embezzlement covers all Property transfers not explicitly required or permitted by the Rules. Rules 947 (Bonus for Repeal), 1959 (Wills), and 1598 (Property Transfers) no longer explicitly mention Executors. "Fix Bank Debt Bugs" by Murphy Rule 1946 (Distribution of Voting Entitlements) loses an incorrect clause that each winning Bidder gets 1.0 rather than 0.1 VE. The Registrar pays out New Player Awards, rather than Ordering the Treasuror to do so. Various debts to and from the Bank are adjusted by declaration. "Fix Unready Judges" by root - Proposal 4178 A Player who becomes ineligible to Judge due to a Grace Period is treated as if e became ineligible by request; in particular, e may become eligible by request while still in eir Grace Period. "Fix Periodic Compensations" by Taral - Proposal 4179 Salaries and Distributor's Gratuity require 16 (not 12) days of holding the appropriate position. "Heroism is Catching" by Kelly Douglas Hofstadter becomes a Hero. "Justice for All" by Kelly The Rules may not prevent any person from obtaining Agoran judgement on any justiciable question. "Last Wish" by Murphy Chuck is re-registered and goes up for Zombie Auction again (this time with a minimum Bid of 1 Indulgence, not 12). "LET'S GET THIS SHOW ON THE ROAD ALREADY" by Elysion - Proposal 4180 It takes 100 (not 200) Points to Win. "Raffle Patch" by Elysion - Proposal 4177 Players unable to Bid in an Auction cannot buy Raffle tickets either, if the Auction is a Raffle (which does not involve Bidding). "Simplify Organizations" by Murphy Rule 1528 (Organizations) is simplified in language, mentions Administrators, and states that all required properties except Class may be changed by unanimous member consent. Rules 1614 (Organizations' Names) and 1612 (Organizations' SLCs) are simplified in language. A Rule is created that explicitly lists Classes of Organizations. Rule 1531 (Administrators and Their Duties) generally allows a Charter or another Rule to separate the identities of the Administrator, Maintainer, and Executor. Rules 1533 (Application to Create an Organization) and 1397 (Dissolution of Organizations) simply refer to the list of properties that Organizations are required to have, rather than reiterating the list. Rule 1617 (Changing the Jurisdiction of an Organization's SLC) is repealed, as it is now redundant with Rule 1528. "The Scribes' Council" by Kelly - Proposal 4174 The Scribes' Council is the set of all Scribes. A Player may make a Proposal Distributable for free with the support of a majority of the Scribes' Council. PROTO-PROPOSALS --------------- "Bastille Day" by Oerjan On Bastille Day (July 14), each Rebel counts double toward the chance of success if e publicly hums a few bars of "La Marseillaise", but a successful Rebellion leaves each Rebel with one Blot (even if e was previously Immaculate). "Fix Currency Awards" by harvel The Registrar shall inform the Treasuror of new Players; the Treasuror is then directly required by the Rules to pay out the New Player Award. "Good Agoran Rewards" by solublefish Kudos are a Currency. The Recordkeepor is the Herald. The MUQ is 0.1. The Mentor's Bonus is 4 Kudos. The Speaker's Patronage is 1 Kudo. Agora's Birthday gives 1 Kudo to each Player, 0.5 Kudo to each Player who recognizes it, and 2 Kudos to each worthy Contest. The Bonus for Repeal is 1 Kudo. Each candidate in an Election receives extra Votes equal to eir Kudos at the beginning of the Election, and is then billed for those Kudos. "Introducing Standing" by Goethe A Judge may dismiss a CFJ if its case lacks standing, i.e. its outcome will not apply to the actual current gamestate (other than the processing of the CFJ itself). "Judicial Simplification, Part 1 of 2" by Murphy Rule 991 (Invoking Judgement) picks up the core of Rule 1563 (Statement of a CFJ). Rule 1563 is repealed in Part 2. "Judicial Simplification, Part 2 of 2" by Murphy A CFJ may be filed with the Justiciar for any reason, though this is not recommended in the general case. Rules 897 (Barring Players from Judgement), 1562 (Excess CFJs), 1868 (Selecting a Judge), 408 (Late Judgement), 591 (Legal Judgements), 1575 (Standards of Proof) have their language simplified. Rule 698 (Always an Eligible Judge) is reworded to restore eligibility to groups of Players at a time, rather than changing the overall eligibility formula at each step. Rule 1756 (Delinquent Judges) is repealed. DISMISSED is a Judgement. Other Rules are adjusted accordingly. Rule 1447 (Final Judgement upon Appeal) is split into three parts: how soon a Justice must determine, what determinations e may make, and what e is paid for determining on time. Rule 908 (Formal Apologies) picks up the text of Rule 1832 (Failure to Apologize), which is then repealed. "Little Fluffy Clouds" - author unknown; republished by Kelly "Make Buying Democracy Easier" by neil An Untained Speaker may (With 3 Supporters) Sanitise an Ordinary Interested Proposal which no one has attempted to Democratise, making it Democratic and Sane. If this happens during its Voting Period (which requires someone to pay 1 Papyrus), then all Votes are cancelled and the Voting Period is extended to seven days after the Sanitising. A Player may (With Support) attempt to Democratise an Ordinary Interesting Proposal. This costs 0.1 VE except for an Untainted Speaker. Until the end of the Voting Period, Players may pay VEs to Vote FOR or AGAINST Democratisation. If FORs >= AGAINSTs, then all Votes are cancelled and the Voting Period is extended by seven days. "Palace Coup" by Goethe Upon a successful Rebellion, as many Rebels as possible become Oligarchs for free. "Palace Coup - Counter-Proto-Proposal" by harvel Upon a successful Rebellion, abiding Oligarchs are retired (or all Oligarchs, if they are all Rebellious); then all Rebellious non-Oligarchs become Oligarchs for free. "Pay for CFJ" by root A CFJ is Judicable (shall be assigned to a Judge): * If a fee of 1 Indulgence is paid. * With 2 Supporters, or With Support from the Speaker, CotC, or Justiciar. * If it alleges that the Speaker, CotC, or Justiciar has failed in eir duties. "The Neo-Oligarchy" by Elysion There may be any number of Oligarchs. All Oligarchs have the Voting Power that Low Oligarchs currently have. Current Oligarchs become Elder Oligarchs for three months. (The Rulekeepor may repeal this clause Without Objection if there are no Elder Oligarchs.) The GWotO's Budget includes the Oligarchy Auction Rate, from 1 to 4. The GWotO may amend eir Budget Without 2 Oligarch Objections. Each month, the GWotO shall auction a number of Oligarchy positions equal to the Oligarchy Auction Rate, and shall bill each non-Elder Oligarch 0.1 VEs (and remove anyone who doesn't pay within seven days). Rebels remain in the Oligarchy on a successful Rebellion. "The Nulligarchy" by Goethe Any Politician may be an Oligarch for 0.5 VE + (0.1 VE/month), or a Nulligarch for 0.2 VEs, but not both. All Oligarchs have one Vote on Ordinary Proposals. Once every two months, a Player may (With Support, and with a 0.5 VE fee) Call for Nullification. Players Vote for either the Oligarchy or the Nulligarchy, similar to a Democratic Proposal. VN = Votes for Nulligarchy, VO = Votes for Oligarchy NN = Number of Nulligarchs, NO = Number of Oligarchs If (VN/VO) > (NN/NO), then: * All Oligarchs lose their positions. * Each Nulligarch has a week to nominate one other Nulligarch as an Oligarch. * min(NN/2, NO) Nulligarchs with the most nominations become Oligarchs; the Speaker breaks ties. Upon a successful Rebellion, a Nullification Election occurs, except that: * Only Rebels may Vote. * Rebels nominate Nulligarchs to become Oligarchs. * The First Rebel breaks ties. CALLS FOR JUDGEMENT ------------------- CFJ 1294 6/11 Judge Taral vacates eir stay of Blob's Orders CFJ 1295 "The Orders issued by Blob in <20010508144200.E5865@cse.unsw.edu.au> [TRUE] http://www.escribe.com/games/agora-business/m3682.html are improperly or invalidly executed." 5/9 Called by Razl 5/10-17 Assigned to Evantine, who Judges TRUE and vacates Blob's Orders 5/13 Evantine submits and grants a Motion to emself, and Orders Clerk of the Courts Wes to stay Blob's Orders ASAP 5/14 Clerk of the Courts Wes stays Blob's Orders 5/17-18 Appealed by Taral, Kelly, and lee 5/19 Appeal assigned to Steve, Kelly, and Wes 5/19 Wes moves to sustain 5/22 Steve moves to overturn and reassign 5/23 Kelly moves to overturn and reassign 5/23 Lead Justice Steve, with Kelly's assent, executes Appelate Orders vacating Judge Evantine's vacation of Blob's Orders 5/25-30 Reassigned to Lindrum, who Judges FALSE 5/30 Lindrum vacates all previous Orders to stay Blob's Orders 6/3-4 Appealed by Murphy, Evantine, and Goethe 6/4 Clerk of the Courts Taral stays Blob's Orders 6/4 Appeal assigned to Steve, Kelly, and Taral 6/11 Kelly, Taral, and Steve move to overturn and reassign 6/11-18 Reassigned to solublefish, who Judges TRUE 6/19 solublefish vacates Blob's Orders Caller's argument (summary): Orders to satisfy debts are regulated by Rule 1599 and may target only the debtor, not its Executor or Limited Executor. Judge Evantine's argument (summary): The Orders are Administrative Orders (Blob prefaced them with "As Executor of the Bank"), hence they are regulated, hence they are not blanket-permitted by Rule 101; and they are not explicitly permitted by the Rules, hence they are invalid. Justice Steve's argument (summary): Although Blob is Executor of the Bank because e is Treasuror, e was not necessarily carrying out a Treasuror duty. In particular, it doesn't matter what type of Order Blob intended to make, only what type of Order e actually made. Treasuror duties are limited to what the Rules explicitly impose, so the Orders are Private and valid (but may or may not be proper). Justice Kelly's argument (summary): The Orders are Private, for the same reasons given by Steve. They are valid, because no Rule says they are not. They may or may not be proper, and the truth of the Statement depends on their propriety. Judge Lindrum's argument (summary): Blob (Executor of the Bank) is explicitly allowed (Rule 1599) to Order Razl (Executor of the Bank's debtors) to act as if e were the debtors (Rule 1478) and satisfy the debts. Justice Kelly's argument (summary): Notary Razl is Limited Executor, not Executor, of the debtors. Justice Steve's argument (summary): A Limited Executor is permitted to act on behalf of the Executee, but not as if e were the Executee; so e cannot be targeted as if e were the Executee. It is explicitly discretionary, not a duty, for the Notary to dispose of Abandoned Property. Further counterargument: Rule 1478 does not equate the Executor and Executee except at the moment when the Executor acts on behalf of the Executee. CFJ 1298 "'Distributor' is a Patent Title which may be changed at the opinion [FALSE] of the Registrar." 5/30 Called by Goethe 6/4-11 Assigned to Razl, who Judges FALSE Caller's argument (summary): 'Distributor' continues to be a Unique Patent Title, because it used to be defined by Rule 1923/5 and has not been explicitly revoked. Rules 1923/6 and 1670/13 now describe 'Distributor' without referring to it as a Patent Title. Judge Razl's refutation (summary): This position of 'Distributor' is distinct from the Patent Title of Distributor. CFJ 1301 "Rule 1479 should be interpreted such that an Order, which requires a [TRUE] Player to pay out one or more Properties to some entity, and which is valid and proper under the Rules, causes the Bank to incur one or more debts to the named entity." 6/7 Called by root 6/9-13 Assigned to Syllepsis, who Judges TRUE 6/14 Syllepsis Orders Annotation of Rule 1479 6/26 Appealed by Murphy Judge Syllepsis's argument (summary): Rule 1479 creates a debt from a pay-out only if it is "required by the Rules". Rule 1023 contains a Rule requirement based on ASAP timing, and Rule 1795 assigns implicit ASAP timing to Orders with missing or invalid explicit timing. Commentary: For Orders with explicit non-ASAP timing, there is no direct Rule requirement; Rule 1810 Criminalizes non-compliance, but does not actually require compliance. The Rules may be interpreted as indirectly requiring Order-based pay-outs (because the Rules say that the Orders directly require compliance). CFJ 1302 "In eir message on or about 11 Jun 2001 14:57:38 -0400, player [TRUE] solublefish did not transfer 120 Stems to the Bank." 6/18 Called by Kelly 6/18-26 Assigned to Hooloovoo, who Judges TRUE Caller's argument (summary): A message "if X, then I transfer Y" is not an intent to transfer Property, but rather an intent to achieve a Gamestate that may or may not involve a transfer. Thus, Rule 1598 is not triggered, and a transfer does not occur. CFJ 1303 "Razl is Noisy." 6/24 Called by Goethe 6/24-25 Assigned to Blob, who proto-Judges FALSE Caller's argument (summary): Steve, who has Power of Attorney over Razl, claimed to cause Razl to make emself Noisy. Judge's refutation (summary): A Player becomes Noisy by posting to the Public Forum, not by claiming to become Noisy. CFJ 1304 "If the Executor of an entity posts to the Public Forum - clearly stating that e posts to the Public Forum on behalf of the entity, as if e were the entity - then the entity is considered to have posted to the Public Forum." 6/26 Called by Murphy OFFICES ------- 6/11 Taral is Elected Clerk of the Courts. 6/15 Nominations begin for Scorekeepor. Ziggy and root Nominate for Scorekeepor. 6/20 Notary Razl delegates to Steve from June 22 to July 13 and from July 15 to August 5, pending eir consent. Steve consents. 6/21 Speaker Kelly Calls Elections for the Office of Notary. This causes Razl to cease to be Electee, and Rule 1645 (d) makes eir delegation ineffective. 6/23 Voting begins for Scorekeepor. Candidates are Ziggy and root. 6/24 Ziggy stands down in Scorekeepor Election. root is Elected. Nominations begin for Notary. 6/25 Steve, Tim, and Taral Nominate for Notary. 6/26 Murphy Nominates for Notary. 6/27 Scorekeepor root delegates to Murphy from June 29 to July 8, pending consent. Murphy consents. OLIGARCHS --------- 6/11 High Oligarch Ziggy commits Oligardiness. Speaker Kelly chooses Low Oligarch lee for promotion. PROPERTY AUCTIONS ----------------- 6/16 Vickrey Auction begins for 8 Papyri. 6/26 Papyrus Auction ends. Elysion wins 3, Kelly 1, Steve 2, and Ian 2, at 151 Stems each. Bidding for 8 Papyri starting 6/16 ---------- 500 Elysion 300 Kelly 300 Steve 250 Elysion 201 Ian - private 200 Steve 166 Elysion 160 Ian - private 151 Steve - private 150 Hooloovoo 150 Kelly 128 Hooloovoo 125 Elysion 120 Steve 100 Elysion 100 Ian - private 100 Ian - private 100 Kelly 100 Oerjan - private 83 Elysion 75 Kelly 75 Oerjan - private 71 Elysion 64 Hooloovoo 62 Elysion 60 Kelly 50 Kelly 50 Oerjan - private 42 Kelly 37 Kelly 37 Oerjan - private 32 Hooloovoo 30 Oerjan - private 25 Oerjan - private 21 Oerjan - private 18 Oerjan - private 16 Hooloovoo 8 Hooloovoo 4 Hooloovoo 2 Hooloovoo 1 Hooloovoo IN OTHER NEWS ------------- 6/8 Auction for the Zombie Chuck ends with no Bids. 6/11 Usuror Kelly reduces the Bond Issuance Fee to zero. 6/12 The Zombie Chuck loses eir Blots and is deregistered. The mailing lists at agoranomic.org are officially recognized. Wes still owes Upkeep on Anthony. E must pay within a week of coming Off Hold, or else lose control. 6/19 Treasuror Murphy announces eir intent to mint 10 Papyri. Promotor Elysion received no Objection to the same action, but Rule 1974 only allows the Treasuror to make the Bank mint Currency. Murphy creates the Group "Regroup" with S. and root. 6/20 Razl grants Power of Attorney to Steve from June 22 to August 5. Steve consents. 6/21 Kelly makes Razl Quiet. lee creates a Currency "Sequins". lee creates a Contest "Getting to Know You!". Goethe creates a Contest "AGORA is 8", a Bardic Gathering. Razl becomes Noisy. 6/22 Registrar solublefish announces eir intent to remove official recognition from the mailing lists at gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au, which will shut down on about 6/30. 6/24 Kelly makes Razl Quiet. neil registers. Peekee goes On Hold. Blob demonstrates that Stems are nearly transferrable, as follows: a) Entity E1 issues a Bond for X Stems to mature immediately. b) Entity E1 transfers the Bond to entity E2. c) Entity E2 sells the Bond to the Bank for the purpose of selling it at the Bank's purchase rate (currently 95%). d) The Bank owes (95% of X) Stems to entity E2. e) When the Bank redeems the Bond, entity E1 will owe X Stems to the Bank. Notary Razl (by Attorney Steve) announces intent to transfer Chuck's Abandoned Property (1488 Stems) to the Bank. Steve attempts to have Razl make emself Noisy. This fails because Noisiness is achieved by posting to the Public Forum, not by claiming to achieve it. (See CFJ 1303.) 6/25 harvel makes Ian Quiet. Ian later becomes Noisy. Promotor Elysion notes that Chuck's Abandoned Property also includes 2 Papyri. Razl (by Steve) adds this to eir announcement of intent. Elysion becomes Abiding. 6/26 Usuror Kelly announces intent to impose Credit limits of 1 Papyrus, 0.5 VE, and 1 Indulgence. The mailing lists at gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au lose official recognition. Registrar solublefish designates Kelly as the Distributor. 6/27 Murphy creates the Currency "Little Fluffy Clouds". TRADE OFFERS ------------ Ongoing offers: Player Date Will sell In return for ----------------------------------------------------------------------- AgorEx 3/28/01 1 VE mP; see web page AgorEx 3/28/01 1 Papyrus mVE; see web page harvel 6/26/01 Ad space in .sig 1 Papyrus or 0.1 VE x10 to first two buyers x5 for double the price lee 6/21/01 0.1 VE 100 Sequins lee 6/21/01 99 Sequins 0.1 VE Peekee 5/3/01 Votes on Proposals Negotiable and Elections Razl 4/17/01 1 Circle 2*pi Slices Wes 4/5/00 1 Twig Commenting on and changing a proto Wes 4/5/00 ad space 1 Twig per 30 days Recent one-time offers: Player Date Will sell In return for ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Blob 1/23/01 1 Indulgence 1 Papyrus Blob 3/1/01 Indulgences Papyri Blob 3/1/01 1 VE at least 4 Papyri Chuck 2/6/01 1 Papyrus 2 Indulgences harvel 2/9/01 Negotiable 3 Papyri harvel 3/22/01 2.0 VEs Papyri / Negotiable Hooloovoo 3/2/01 1 Papyri 1 VE Kelly 7/1/00 1 VE Negotiable Kelly 10/4/00 9 BTs Negotiable Kelly 1/24/01 1 Papyrus 2 Indulgences Lindrum 5/18/01 Negotiable Indulgences solublefish 4/19/01 $5 1 VE Steve 2/5/01 2 Indulgences 2 Papyri t 2/6/01 1 Papyrus 2 Indulgences Tim 4/19/01 $25 1 VE -- Ed Murphy http://members.fortunecity.com/emurphy/ "Most of the time, it seemed sublimely unaware of its limbs, though it was beginning to suspect it had hands."